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[HELP|INFO] 380>960? 390>970? & upcoming gpus
« on: March 06, 2016, 01:39:24 pm »
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Help me find the proper answers for the following questions :)

(1) What would you choose if you were given a chance to chose a better graphics card for yourself in the following 2 cases? Please justify your selection in short.

Case 1: GTX 960/2GB Vs. R9 380/2GB or [GTX 960/4GB Vs. R9 380X/4GB]

Case 2: GTX 970/4GB Vs. R9 390/8GB

(2) Are the 300 series cards rebrands of 200 series? (AFAIK 380 is a rebranded 285)

(3) Will the upcoming GPU architectures from AMD & nVidia have a major performance improvements over the current generation? What are the expected release dates? (AFAIK Polaris is due on mid this year and Pascal is rumored to be announced in GTC or Computex 16)

Please share your thoughts. Thank you.
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Re: [HELP|INFO] 380>960? 390>970? & upcoming gpus
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2016, 03:46:20 pm »
State the resolution u intend to play. If the rumors r true Pascal seems to be much faster than Maxwell architecture.
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Re: [HELP|INFO] 380>960? 390>970? & upcoming gpus
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2016, 04:55:28 pm »
Here's what you need. The R9 390 performs similar to a stock R9 290X.





The R9 380 2GB/4GB is roughly 10-15% faster than a GTX 960. That's your first comparison.
The R9 380X is a further 15-20% faster than a R9 380, making it around 30% faster than a  GTX 960. That's your second comparison. The GTX 960 4GB isn't competing with the 380X. It can't even compete with the cheaper 380.

The R9 390 is slightly faster than a GTX970 (say 5%).

In all of the above instances, AMD cards almost double their lead over the competing cards at 4K due their better memory management. Considering the future, Nvidia is pretty awful with it's Direct X 12 performance, with the R9 390 performing similar to a GTX 980Ti in some instances.
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Re: [HELP|INFO] 380>960? 390>970? & upcoming gpus
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2016, 09:53:27 pm »
Here's what you need. The R9 390 performs similar to a stock R9 290X.





The R9 380 2GB/4GB is roughly 10-15% faster than a GTX 960. That's your first comparison.
The R9 380X is a further 15-20% faster than a R9 380, making it around 30% faster than a  GTX 960. That's your second comparison. The GTX 960 4GB isn't competing with the 380X. It can't even compete with the cheaper 380.

The R9 390 is slightly faster than a GTX970 (say 5%).

In all of the above instances, AMD cards almost double their lead over the competing cards at 4K due their better memory management. Considering the future, Nvidia is pretty awful with it's Direct X 12 performance, with the R9 390 performing similar to a GTX 980Ti in some instances.

damn! 270x is equal to the performance of 960? :O
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Re: [HELP|INFO] 380>960? 390>970? & upcoming gpus
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2016, 10:30:31 pm »
damn! 270x is equal to the performance of 960? :O
AMD drivers FTW man. If you buy an AMD card at launch, you'll have a card that's 30-50% faster 3 years later.
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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2016, 11:58:49 pm »
AMD drivers FTW man. If you buy an AMD card at launch, you'll have a card that's 30-50% faster 3 years later.
nvidia rolls out the drivers at 100% at launch
so basically if u upgrade your GPU frequently nvidia is best for you
but if you don't upgrade frequently AMD is better for you
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Re: [HELP|INFO] 380>960? 390>970? & upcoming gpus
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2016, 12:15:19 am »
nvidia rolls out the drivers at 100% at launch
so basically if u upgrade your GPU frequently nvidia is best for you
but if you don't upgrade frequently AMD is better for you
So to keep up with AMD drivers, you need to upgrade your Nvidia card more often :P
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« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2016, 03:00:30 am »
as a user of both red & green I would say i am better off with the green team. AMD basically matched the performance of the Maxwell architecture with their R9 series. so better to go with the green team..Pascal architecture will be a bombardment for the Red team. the only reason to buy a red one is if you have a soft pocket.furthermore in my experience I do not think that memory management will do much of a difference in gaming performance.and if the rumors are true Pascal will be 10x faster than Maxwell..
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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2016, 05:13:20 am »
AMD drivers FTW man. If you buy an AMD card at launch, you'll have a card that's 30-50% faster 3 years later.

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« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2016, 08:34:50 am »
as a user of both red & green I would say i am better off with the green team. AMD basically matched the performance of the Maxwell architecture with their R9 series. so better to go with the green team..
AMD more than matched the Maxwell architecture with the 300 series. Pick any price point and there will always be a faster AMD card available for the same price. Please don't go by launch reviews. As I said earlier, AMD cards improve over time. Cards that may have once been equals are no longer so. Also speaking about architecture, Maxwell is far far behind GCN in DirectX 12 performance, so if you are considering emerging technology, then Maxwell hasn't even matched GCN

Pascal architecture will be a bombardment for the Red team.
I suggest you read up on the upcoming Polaris architecture and it's implications on performance-per-watt and Async computing (DX12). AMD already have a headstart with the Fury cards, for Nvidia, it will be uncharted waters.

the only reason to buy a red one is if you have a soft pocket.
Or if you want more performance for the same amount of money. Or the same performance for less money. If you achieve the end goal for less money it's called being smart, not being cheap. Also, Nvidia have no competing cards for a few AMD products, namely the R9 380 and R9 380X, with the closest competitor 15% slower. Same is true with the opposite though, AMD has no competitor for the GTX 980Ti at the moment.

furthermore in my experience I do not think that memory management will do much of a difference in gaming performance.
Go to Google, find any graphics card review that tests multiple resolutions and compare 1080p vs 4K results. Cards with better memory interfaces will be relatively faster than ones with poorer ones. For example, from the review I shared above, the card being reviewed, the R9 380X Strix, is ~23% slower than a GTX970 at 1080P, but only ~18% slower than a GTX970 at 4K. This is mostly due to the better memory interface on the AMD cards.

and if the rumors are true Pascal will be 10x faster than Maxwell..
This is entirely possible, but what if Polaris is even faster? Don't be a fanboy, read up on both sides ;)
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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2016, 11:06:32 am »
I just put down the facts from my experiences of using both cards. I am not a tech expert like you..also I do not have time to google and read about graphics cards cause I have far more better things to do.. :P :P anyway we will wait and see how pascal will turn out to be..and for that matter polaris..you see some like oranges and some like apples right?  :P
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Re: [HELP|INFO] 380>960? 390>970? & upcoming gpus
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2016, 02:24:30 am »
AMD more than matched the Maxwell architecture with the 300 series. Pick any price point and there will always be a faster AMD card available for the same price. Please don't go by launch reviews. As I said earlier, AMD cards improve over time. Cards that may have once been equals are no longer so. Also speaking about architecture, Maxwell is far far behind GCN in DirectX 12 performance, so if you are considering emerging technology, then Maxwell hasn't even matched GCN
I suggest you read up on the upcoming Polaris architecture and it's implications on performance-per-watt and Async computing (DX12). AMD already have a headstart with the Fury cards, for Nvidia, it will be uncharted waters.
Or if you want more performance for the same amount of money. Or the same performance for less money. If you achieve the end goal for less money it's called being smart, not being cheap. Also, Nvidia have no competing cards for a few AMD products, namely the R9 380 and R9 380X, with the closest competitor 15% slower. Same is true with the opposite though, AMD has no competitor for the GTX 980Ti at the moment.
Go to Google, find any graphics card review that tests multiple resolutions and compare 1080p vs 4K results. Cards with better memory interfaces will be relatively faster than ones with poorer ones. For example, from the review I shared above, the card being reviewed, the R9 380X Strix, is ~23% slower than a GTX970 at 1080P, but only ~18% slower than a GTX970 at 4K. This is mostly due to the better memory interface on the AMD cards.
This is entirely possible, but what if Polaris is even faster? Don't be a fanboy, read up on both sides ;)

seems REd wins all over as Zero says, but..
1. what about all the technologies Green team has, like MFAA hairworks gpuboost physx all that?
2. Also, what about bias certain game-engines has over green? like unreal engine for green etc.
3. Also nvidia releases hell a lot of gpu driver updates. Do those wont do a thing when it comes to performance?  ??? ???

never used a red card as i was always a green fan, but feels like changing track bcoz f cost but just wanna be sure what Im gonna give up choosing red over green 

 
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Re: [HELP|INFO] 380>960? 390>970? & upcoming gpus
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2016, 08:24:29 am »
vga war =politics  ;D we fight for their success damn amd gpus  ahead of nvidia thats true but but i dont like heaters ;) ya i m a nvidiots  :stupid:
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« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2016, 10:18:28 pm »
seems REd wins all over as Zero says, but..
1. what about all the technologies Green team has, like MFAA hairworks gpuboost physx all that?
2. Also, what about bias certain game-engines has over green? like unreal engine for green etc.
3. Also nvidia releases hell a lot of gpu driver updates. Do those wont do a thing when it comes to performance?  ??? ???

never used a red card as i was always a green fan, but feels like changing track bcoz f cost but just wanna be sure what Im gonna give up choosing red over green 

 
1. AMD has equivalent technologies for pretty much all of those technologies, just that they aren't advertised as 'features' per-se. Also, AMD technologies tend to be open so that they can be used with any graphics card.

Just to do a simple comparison with the points in the image posted (might not be 100% accurate, but closest matches)

3D Vision > HD3D
4K > This is a resolution, not a technology :P
Adaptive Sync > Dynamic V-Sync
BatteryBoost > Simply a combination of downclocking + Vsync. Disastrous.
CUDA > Open CL
DirectX 11 > duh
DirectX 12 > also duh. AMD is arguably better at DX12
DSR > VSR
FCAT > works on AMD
G-Sync > FreeSync
GPU Boost > Turbo Core
GPU Boost 2.0 > Same as above
Hairworks > TressFX
HBAO+ > HDAO
MFAA > I'm not sure what this does exactly
Optimus > Enduro
PCSS > CHS
PhysX > Havok (or CPU based PhysX)
ShadowWorks > Included in CHS (above)
SLI > Crossfire
Surround > Eyefinity
TXAA > no AMD equivalent AFAIK
Virtual Reality > this is not a feature either
VXGI > already implemented on consoles, which run on AMD hardware


2. This generally doesn't make that much of a difference. Go check out benchmarks for Far Cry Primal. Nvidia sponsored game that runs better on AMD cards. Crysis 2. AMD sponsored game that runs better on Nvidia hardware. This will change with every new architecture and new iteration of the game engine.

3. So does AMD. There's been like 6 new drivers for AMD since January, all with great performance increases. All Nvidia drivers in that time period have been broken.

A good example as to how good AMD driver performance increases are.

June 25th 2013. The GTX760 launches, beating the HD7870 by ~22%


November 19th 2015 - two and a half years later.


The R9 270X (which is a rebadged HD7870) is approximately 12% faster than a GTX760. Which means the AMD card has improved a whopping ~36% compared to a GTX760 over that period. So if you wan't your graphics card to be futureproof, AMD got you covered.
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« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2016, 11:56:48 pm »
thanks zero  (Y) (Y) (Y) useful explanation
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